Debate!
First Question: starting out with Eisenhower and budget! Why not with the military-industrial complex? How are you going to deal with the budget crisis?
Obama: Economic oversight, depositors must be able to get money back, must not pad CEO bank accounts, must protect homeowners.
McCain: Bipartisan efforts, budget package, stabilize institutions, create jobs, eliminate dependence on foreign oil.
Debate: McCain saw train wreck coming? Accountability? McCain is rambling. Obama - Need responsibility not just when there is a crisis. Look at underlying issues. Not talking to each other. At all. Hello? Consolidation of regulatory agencies??
Second Question: Are there fundamental differences between each other to lead out of the financial crisis?
McCain: Corral out of control spending. Stop studying DNA of bears. Veto earmarked spending bills.
Obama: Earmarks process has been abused, yes. Lobbyists and special interests often introduce them. $300b in tax cuts have been made to wealthiest individuals and companies... reinstate. Allow the bottom 95% to have the tax cuts.
Debate: McCain - Corruption in earmarks, Obama didn't change position on earmarks until he was running for president. Obama - close corporate loopholes, stop providing tax cuts to corporations who are shipping jobs overseas. $18b is important... make sure we are not spending money unwisely. Get middle class back on track. Don't neglect the middle class. Continuation of last 8 years. McCain - business tax - Ireland??? - wants every family to have $5000 refundable tax credit for health care. Dividends for children tax credits. Obama - definition of rich - less than $250,000 - no tax increase - business tax - too many loopholes with effective lowest tax rates - McCain wants to tax health credit. Arguing about specifics in campaign plans - especially in relation to oil companies.
Third Question: What are you going to have to give up as a result of having to pay for the financial rescue plan?
Obama: Things to keep: energy independence, fix healthcare, education.
McCain: Cut spending: ethanol subsidies, cost+ contracts in military spending, examine every agency in government.
Debates: Obama - $15b in subsidies to insurers to medicare insurers which don't work, Google For Government for taxpayers... McCain - Freeze VA, Defense and Entitlements ONLY. Obama - Look at getting out of Iraq and stop sending subsidies there. McCain - offshore drilling and nuclear power essential. Obama - look to second question to answer this question (not his words - mine) McCain - wants Obama to cut his spending program - healthy economy with low taxes and no tax raises with spending restraint is the ticket to a healthy economy. Owe China $500b. McCain - relying on the idea of not being "Miss Congeniality" and being the "Maverick"
Fourth Question: What are the lessons of Iraq?
McCain: Requires fundamental changes in strategies, and good military leadership. Consequenses of defeat would have been ascendence of Iran, increase in terrorism, etc.
Obama: Should we have gone into the war in the first place? Not only did we not know what it was going to cost, what the exit strategy would be, what the relationships with other countries would be, and we hadn't finished in Afghanistan (there were more, but I couldn't get them down fast enough). These issues are still with us - and are even worse. Lesson to be drawn: shouldn't hesitate to use military force, but should use it wisely.
Debate: McCain - next president will not face whether we should have gone into Iraq, but what to do WITH Iraq. Obama - proud of Biden and the FRC - tactics of the surge designed to contain the damage of the previous four years, not whether it was a wrapping up move. Obama smacks McCain bringing up four points on which he was DEAD wrong in 2003. McCain responds, but babbles, IMO. Obama - troop funding issue - McCain didn't believe in a timetable - Obama didn't believe in an open-ended funding strategy. Afghanistan needs more attention and has since the beginning - but McCain has been dead wrong in his assessments of the conflict. McCain - Against specific date for withdrawal. Completely.
Fifth Question: Afghanistan: Do you think that more troops should be sent to Afghanistan. If so, why? If not, why?
Obama: Yes. Strategic mistake to be in Iraq... should be cleaning up in Afghanistan now, not fighting a second war in Iraq. Deal with poppy trade. Deal with Parkistani safe havens - subsidies of $10b a year need to be suspended.
McCain: Should not have left Afghanistan alone after the Russians pulled out of the country in the first place. Not prepared to cut off aid to Pakistan. Not prepared to cut off relations with Pakistanis. Must obtain the allegiance of the Pakistani warlords (how? they can't unite within their own country!!! -ed) Must have a troop surge there as well.
Debate: Obama - must take out the AlQuaeda leaders wherever they are. McCain should stop singing songs about bombing Iran. If Pakistan is unwilling to cooperate, then we have to make decisions. We coddled Musharraf, alienated the populace in Pakistan, and alQuaeda is now more powerful than ever. McCain - Pakistan was a failed state when Musharraf came to power. Admires Ronald Reagan, voted against Lebanon. Goes through litany of what he supported and didn't. Obama - soldiers go through mission of commander in chief - took our eye off Afghanistan, took our eye off the people who perpetrated 9/11.
Sixth Question: What is your reading of your threat form Iran to the security of the United States?
McCain: Existential threat to the State of Israel and the region if they acquire nuclear weapons. Cannot afford a second holocaust. "Straight talk" - wants a "League of Democracies" (WTF? The League of Nations didn't work... and you hate the UN - ed) Putting IEDs into Iraq currently, training Republican Guard in Iraq... etc.... wants to act proactively.
Obama: Believes Republican Guard is a state sponsor of terror but does not believe that we should be expanding the war in Iraq to go into Iran. Our policy over the past 8 years has not worked. Arms race in the ME if Iran gets nuclear weapons. Needs cooperation with Russia and other countries that *do* trade with Iran, not just democracies.
Debate: McCain - Brings up the idea that Obama would sit down with the leaders of N Korea, Cuba and Iran without precondition... and call it a bad idea. Can't pronounce Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to save his soul. Obama - need to look at exploring contacts with Iran - as George Bush has been doing - as he has been doing in N Korea as well of late, too. What about the comment of not meeting with the Prime Minister of Spain? McCain - claims Obama simply doesn't understand protocol. This is all about protocol?? Wait. I think I understand. Really. This is *all* about protocol. Miss Manners enters into this?? Where's Emily Post when we need her?
Seventh Question: Russia. How do you see the relationship with Russia?
Obama: Our entire Russia approach needs to be reevaluated. New Russian face is a threat. Must have a unified alliance ... cannot be a 21st century power and act like a 20th century bully. Must show friendship to former Soviet satellites - NATO. Nuclear proliferation - need to deal with this issue, particularly on the issue of loose nukes. What are the national security interests of the US?
McCain: Believes that Obama is showing naivete about the Russia aggression in Georgia. Thinks the KGB is active again. Wants to bolster friends and allies. Believes this is all about energy sources. Thinks Russia is becoming imperial again. Satellites - supports NATO admission. Believes we need to watch Ukraine and the Crimea... throwing out names and places right and left.
Debate: Obama - agrees with McCain on most of this issue. Two points: must have foresight to anticipate some of these problems - Russian peacekeepers in Russian territory in April - could have avoided issue. Issue of energy - petrodollars - we as one of the biggest consumers of energy must have a strong energy policy that must take us off the grid of world oil. McCain voted 23 out of 26 times against solar and biodiesel in the past 25 years.
Eighth Question: What is the likelihood of another 9/11 attack?
McCain: It is less likely, but we are far from safe. He has worked hard, but the work is not done. He has worked with Lieberman to put together a commission to figure out why 9/11 happened. Most reforms were adopted. Intelligence services are doing a better job, better interrogators, better work with the allies. As a result of the findings we have had a reorganization of defense that is the best is has ever been.
Obama: Some work in airport, some work in defense... but not enough. Not in terms of transit, not in terms of ports. Suitcase bombs our biggest threat... nuclear proliferation deterrence must be a lynchpin of much of our foreign policy. Must go after alQuaeda in 60 countries now. We must change the way we are perceived in the world. Restore America's standing in the world.
Debate: McCain - Obama doesn't get that if we fail in Iraq that alQuaeda will grow like a weed. All would be lost. Oh the horror. Obama - Over the last 8 years the admin has been solely focused on Iraq.. but bin Laden is still out there, alQaeda is still out there... a trillion dollars of our debt is with China... we have weakened our capacity to project power around the world because of our singluar focus through this lens. This is a national security issue. Must have a broader strategic vision for the entire world. McCain - advantages to knowledge, experience and judgement.
McCain is making his final arguments in the midst of the Eighth Question. Weird. So Obama is following suit. I *knew* that McCain was going to bring up his POW/veteran stuff. I *knew* it.
End of debate.









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